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Post by buckmana on Mar 3, 2014 7:58:11 GMT
You know those parts of the dvd where they show workinprogress scenes that didn't make it into the final cut of the movie? Have you ever wished you could see that scene fully animated and properly voiced, even if it's not in the movie anymore? I have that desire a lot and am having it now that I've seen these pictures: I don't know what is happening in the first one. The second one I want to see most of all, Anna being naughty while the family is posing for the royal portrait. Also, look at Elsa's reaction to what Anna is doing. I think in the 3rd one, she's about to put a caterpillar in Elsa's hair.
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Post by QueenElsa on Mar 5, 2014 2:46:59 GMT
Those are nice pictures. I especially love the last one, with mischevious Anna about to put some sort of bug in Elsa's hair, like you mentioned. In the first one, it looks like either Anna got into Elsa's fort when she wasn't supposed to, or made/destroyed the fort, and Elsa didn't like it because, if you look very closely, the girl on the outsife (who I'm almost certain is Elsa), looks pretty mad. But a great find and ideas! Where exactly did you find them?
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Post by buckmana on Mar 5, 2014 21:26:39 GMT
They came from the Art of Frozen book. These were the only deleted scenes in the book though. I'm assuming when the DVD comes out, I'll have some more to discuss, as sometimes they include concept sketches and scratchtrack versions of the scenes that didn't make it into the final movie as extra content.
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Post by QueenElsa on Mar 6, 2014 13:10:23 GMT
Oh, I see. Yeah, YouTube has some of the deleted scenes. One of them is of when Elsa was meant to be a villain, one is of the two sisters together just before the doronation (it's called "Dressing Room"), and there's two "Meet Kristoff" videos. I liked most of them, except for the second Meet Kristoff. It just didn't appeal to me... But yeah. I can't wait to see all of them on the DVD.
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Post by buckmana on Apr 30, 2014 10:01:41 GMT
The Dressing Room It seems this scene was from an earlier treatment of the script, since Anna and Elsa seem more familiar with each other then their estranged relationship.
I was amused by the fact that Anna regularly destroys any item of clothing she owns and ends up having to wear Elsa's clothes. It appears Elsa has much more control over her powers in this version, since she's not wearing gloves and Anna grabs her hands with no noticable effect, other then to comment on how cold Elsa is to the touch. I do wonder what was in the present though, but that was never revealed.
Also, the Duke of Weselton makes an appearance, but as a different character, probably Elsa's court secretary or something.
Meet Kristoff 1 Kristoff seems more mercenary and selfish then in his initial appearance. I was interested to learn he had a last name in this scene, Bjorgman.
Meet Kristoff 2 I found it interesting that Kristoff had a summer vacation home of sorts. I think it's the troll village we see in the final iteration of the film. I guess if you're an ice harvester, there's not much work during the summer, so he was free to take time off.
This wasn't a deleted scene on the DVD, but I knew it existed before it was cut. There originally was a confrontation scene where Kristoff mets Hans and his reaction is to punch Hans out. I'm thinking this scene actually was fully animated, because I notice the continuity inconsistency in the final movie. After Hans is thrown offscreen by an icy blast as Anna freezes solid, Kristoff mysteriously and quickly appears in his place, even though he hasn't had time to walk over to Elsa. And after Elsa ends the eternal winter, we see Hans rubbing his jaw in a way someone would if they've just been punched hard in it. Which makes Anna's punch that much more vindictive, because she knows he's been punched once before and she's punching him again in the same spot, to make the pain worse!
I wish that had actually made it into the final movie, as it would have been more interesting to see this version.
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Post by QueenElsa on May 1, 2014 12:46:35 GMT
Yeah. According to Jennifer, the dressing room scene was cut because the sisters were to be kept apart during this time, but it does look like she has better control. This one was my favorite deleted scene that I've seen. It's so funny when Anna's wearing that bulky orange dress. xD Also, as you mentioned, there was the present. I wonder what it was as well. And Elsa says it's a coronation custom, but yet we never see her give one to Anna in the movie itself. But I liked how close the sisters were in this scene.... I personally liked the Meet Kristoff 1 scene. I just rewatched it since you mentioned that they mention his name in it. I've known for a little while now that he has a last name. I just never knew how to pronounce it. I liked the last part the most from that scene. Although Kristoff didn't seem to be that grumpy man he is, which was a little strange to me. Yeah, that is interesting. (How was he moving anywhere with Sven tied to him by the rope, though? I don't know) Anyways, yeah. Although, I always thought that his ice business was better in the summer or something, because when the eternal winter came along and he was talking about his ice problem, Anna was saying something about that being a rough business to be in then. But maybe I just don't understand that part. I just watched one of the other deleted scenes called "Halt, You Swine!", where Anna tries to help a boy catch his pig and ruins a lot of things, and this scene explains what Anna was talking about in the Dressing Room scene when she was explaining to Elsa what happened. As for the Kristoff-punching-Hans scene, yeah. I never thought of it that way. But you have a good point. Kristoff does just suddenly appear close to Elsa and frozen Anna just out of nowhere. And as for Hans rubbing his jaw on the ship, I always thought it was just because of the ice blast thing, but it does make sense that, if they had fully made the scene, then deleted it, why that would be in it. I read somewhere (I think it was on the Disney Wiki) that, in the junior novelization, that's what they put in it is Kristoff punching Hans when the prince goes to kill Elsa after Anna's frozen. Another deleted scene that I personally like is the one with Elsa as the villain that she was originally supposed to be. In that scene, Elsa asks the guards there why Admiral Westerguard didn't come himself, since he loves Anna. I think Admiral Westerguard is Hans, which means that his last name may be Westerguard. Also, how Elsa uses her powers is amazing, in my opinion. She can do a lot more with them at that point it looks like. I like the last sentence she says: "Never underestimate the power of snow and ice". I don't get any of the deleted scenes on the DVD I own, so I'm just watching what I can find on YouTube. I wish they kept the "That's no blizzard! That's my sister!" part in the movie, since they had Anna say it in most of the trailers. I've seen that scene - Anna is more scared of jumping off of the mountain than she is in the movie itself. And it shows Elsa creating a snowflake, and then blasting it, and of course Anna says that the 'blizzard' was Elsa, so I wonder what Elsa was doing during that part - not pacing like she did in the movie, that's for sure. And also, in this original scene, Olaf knew Kristoff's name, which I guess wouldn't make it as funny if he knew Kristoff's real name at that point (I wonder how the introduction for that went).
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Post by buckmana on May 3, 2014 7:38:07 GMT
I didn't see that "Halt, You Swine" on the DVD. Makes me wonder where it came from then. I should check to see if there are any others I missed.
Usually there's a Special Edition or something that has more features then the regular disc. But I don't think they had one of those for Frozen.
My favorite part of the dressing room scene was where Anna says "please let me borrow your shoes". And then Elsa finally giving in!
I assumed Sven wasn't actually hanging from Kristoff, the rope was just long enough so he was standing on the ground the whole time and when Kristoff got to the top, he just pulled Sven up.
Even in summer, there would still be places where the ice never thaws, most likely the tops of mountains where it is cold. So I assume in summer, Kristoff has to travel further afield to get his ice. And he'd probably charge summer rates, since he has to work harder to bring the ice back.
I wonder who Admiral Westergard was. Whoever he is, he didn't seem to make it into the final movie. But given his rank, he's probably the man in charge of Arendelle's Navy. Which implies that Arendelle had a marine force capable of fighting on the water. I suppose that's quite logical if your nation is partially built on a large fjord, invaders would come via ships instead of over land. And also, I studied Arendelle's fortifications a lot, they've specifically built the nation to stop a landborn force coming in. Probably to force the kind of battle where they have the natural advantage.
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Post by Kristanna on Jun 28, 2014 8:03:20 GMT
Considering that I don't yet have the movie (though I desperately want it), I tend to watch the deleted scenes online. My two top favorites have to be the Dressing Room Scene and the Life's Too Short
The Life's Too Short (I'll explain it because I don't see it here) is basically another take on the First Time in Forever Reprise. I really loved the song in the deleted scene because it showed both sides of how sisters act; they love each other one moment and the next they're out to get each other. Basically, Elsa and Anna are forgiving each other until Anna asks if Elsa will return to Arendelle to thaw the fjord and practically live together as great sisters. Elsa, however, thinks Anna is "forcing her back in a cage" and becomes outraged, shooing her sister out of the castle. One thing leads to another and they're turning their backs on each other and Elsa accidentally strikes Anna in the heart, in a different way than that portrayed in the movie. I found it to be quite unique, though I know the producers/directors knew what they were doing
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Post by Crusader7 on Jun 28, 2014 12:12:20 GMT
Considering that I don't yet have the movie (though I desperately want it), I tend to watch the deleted scenes online. My two top favorites have to be the Dressing Room Scene and the Life's Too Short The Life's Too Short (I'll explain it because I don't see it here) is basically another take on the First Time in Forever Reprise. I really loved the song in the deleted scene because it showed both sides of how sisters act; they love each other one moment and the next they're out to get each other. Basically, Elsa and Anna are forgiving each other until Anna asks if Elsa will return to Arendelle to thaw the fjord and practically live together as great sisters. Elsa, however, thinks Anna is "forcing her back in a cage" and becomes outraged, shooing her sister out of the castle. One thing leads to another and they're turning their backs on each other and Elsa accidentally strikes Anna in the heart, in a different way than that portrayed in the movie. I found it to be quite unique, though I know the producers/directors knew what they were doing Do you happen to have access to these scenes, and perhaps the mood to share? Because I'd like to see this
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Post by QueenElsa on Jun 28, 2014 15:05:26 GMT
Considering that I don't yet have the movie (though I desperately want it), I tend to watch the deleted scenes online. My two top favorites have to be the Dressing Room Scene and the Life's Too Short The Life's Too Short (I'll explain it because I don't see it here) is basically another take on the First Time in Forever Reprise. I really loved the song in the deleted scene because it showed both sides of how sisters act; they love each other one moment and the next they're out to get each other. Basically, Elsa and Anna are forgiving each other until Anna asks if Elsa will return to Arendelle to thaw the fjord and practically live together as great sisters. Elsa, however, thinks Anna is "forcing her back in a cage" and becomes outraged, shooing her sister out of the castle. One thing leads to another and they're turning their backs on each other and Elsa accidentally strikes Anna in the heart, in a different way than that portrayed in the movie. I found it to be quite unique, though I know the producers/directors knew what they were doing Yeah. With that video, you can tell that they were trying so hard to make it into the movie. As much as I like hearing Kristen and Idina singing that one, I personally like the original version of it (although most of it was kept the same throughout). And your bit about how sisters act is spot on. I have a sister, and we do the same thing: one moment, we're playing around together. The next, we're fighting over something. I really like that deleted scene/song as well. It's too bad it never made it into the movie, but I like the For the First Time in Forever Reprise as well. Crusader7: try typing in on YouTube Life' s Too Short with Kristen Bell and Idina Menzel, and you might be able to find it. (I'll go look for it now for you, although I won't be able to copy/paste the link). It's nothing colorful. Pretty muchnjust sketches throughout, except for a few things during the song like Elsa's gloves, etc. (You should really see it, though. I think it's great. And Olaf's in it, too, so it adds a little comedy to the song).
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Post by Kristanna on Jun 28, 2014 22:10:07 GMT
You can watch it here > www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZyWuFsGcggBut, yeah, I agree with you there Queen Elsa. Though I liked the outtake and its song, the Reprise had notes that were undeniably beautiful (at least in my opinion). And knowing that the directors knew what they were doing by removing the outtake, I'm still really pleased to see what the movie had to offer.
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Post by buckmana on Jul 4, 2014 8:04:31 GMT
Here is Halt you swine!I loved it how whenever Anna tries to help someone, their first and instinctive reflex is to say no. The boy specifically tells her he wants Elsa's help, not Anna's. And when she destroys a very long table of pies, she offers to bake more, to which both the bakers scream "NO!". It's like the entire kingdom has learned how accident prone Anna is, so accepting her help will only make the problem worse. There is a bit missing apparently, because although Anna is wet (thanks to capsizing a boat), she's not muddy, which she refers to in the Dressing Room scene. Here is some more info on disney.wikia.com/wiki/Life's_Too_Short Something is really up with the BBcode in this post, I couldn't get the first link to work properly at first and the second one keeps pointing to localhost.
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Post by Crusader7 on Jul 4, 2014 8:44:23 GMT
The song was nice, I admit. And the Swine scene, I must say I completely laughed out when Anna sighed and the ship simply turned upside down. That was hilarious
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Post by sailor swifty on Jul 18, 2014 2:44:32 GMT
A coloring book page, shows after Hans's sward breaks, he is not knocked out and tired to go after Elsa again, and kristoff gose to fight him.
I have the coloring book, but the page image is not my computer... and I'm kinda too lazy to go grab the book.
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