Crusader7
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Jun 29, 2014 14:10:07 GMT
Post by Crusader7 on Jun 29, 2014 14:10:07 GMT
I'm assuming Elsa's magic makes ice that is harder then normal, the equivalent of perfect diamond (which is unbreakable by anything other then something else made of perfect diamond). To clarify, no diamond is perfect, that's physically impossible under natural conditions, but it might be possible to do it artificially. Which is probably why Anna didn't shatter from the impact of the sword, she was just too hard. Or it could be that to convert living tissue to ice is a different process from changing water to ice, which requires a stronger level of molecular bonding. But it still doesn't explain the wave that dropped Hans unconscious. Probably magic did its thing there as well (unexplainable.). And there you have it. Hans was defeated by impossible to explain cause, because there's no way he'd have lost otherwise. Which makes him awesome.
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Jul 4, 2014 8:28:19 GMT
Post by buckmana on Jul 4, 2014 8:28:19 GMT
I'm assuming that was a subzero airshock. When air changes temperature (dropping in this case), it moves. Basically, the final stage of the transformation was sending out a displacement wave that threw anyone unfortunate enough to be standing into the distance. Since Elsa was sitting down at this point, it most likely travelled over her head, which leaves Hans as the only remaining target. And it didn't knock him out, it just threw him towards one very angry ice harvester, who then punched him out before going to Elsa (deleted scene). I don't think Hans is unbeatable, not with the ease at which Kristoff puts him out cold (pardon the pun). When he has his sword, I'd say he has an advantage, but without it, he's vulnerable. If I was to speculate, Hans put all his time into learning to fight with a sword and never considered that he might be in a situation where he would be unarmed. I'm assuming this is because being a Prince, he lived in luxury and never had to fight in a real battle. So any training he recieved would have been more along the lines of sport, not actual war training. And he might have said, I've got a sword, so why do I need to learn boxing or unarmed combat? I wouldn't even like his chances against Anna in this case, given that's she's no weakling. I do wonder if he trained with other weapons though. He might have a level of skill with archery, considering he redirects the crossbow bolt to "accidentally on purpose" hit the support of the chandelier. Given that he's not the one holding the crossbow and he's got his back to it, hitting a target that small and high is a pretty significant feat. Now having a random mental image of Merida challenging Hans to an archery contest. He'd probably lose though, Merida's skill with a bow is greater then his. And she's also a swordfighter too, so now I'm picturing that as well. But he still wouldn't win, Merida fought a man 3 times her size with a lifetime of experience in war and defeated him.
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Crusader7
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Jul 4, 2014 8:43:03 GMT
Post by Crusader7 on Jul 4, 2014 8:43:03 GMT
Yeah, but we don't see Kristoff punching him in the official movie. Do we? So, officially, Kristoff never punched him. But you must admit, how comfortable everything in this scene was, how Anna's strong mlecular structure protected her from getting shattered, how the dropping temperature created the shockwave that stopped the fella, even how Anna still was close to Elsa and Hans, close enough to run and stop him. Yeah, everything, truly everything colluded against Hans in this scene and ensured his defeat.
Well, I still don't change my opinion regarrding Hans.
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Jul 5, 2014 6:58:24 GMT
Post by buckmana on Jul 5, 2014 6:58:24 GMT
We do see Anna deck him though! Even in a disorentied state, it should have been easy for him to catch her fist and twist her arm to stop the punch hitting him.
Which is why I assume Hans has no ability to deal with unarmed combat, if he can't even fight Anna, he wouldn't have a chance against a more formidable opponent.
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Jul 5, 2014 10:46:01 GMT
Post by Crusader7 on Jul 5, 2014 10:46:01 GMT
Physical strength and skills don't really count to me. Sure he lost, but he didn't lsoe because of that, my friend. He lost because of the impossible, improbable and even both maybe. That's why he's a witty awesome folk (witty, brains over brawn )
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Jul 5, 2014 15:45:36 GMT
Post by buckmana on Jul 5, 2014 15:45:36 GMT
He lost because he lost his sword. It's as simple as that.
Which indicates how underprepared he truly was, even the best swordsman is taught, if you lose your sword, this is what you do. I'm assuming given his arrogant nature, he insisted he was such a great swordsman that no foe would ever be able to disarm him, so why should he learn what to do if he never had one?
But maybe he put an over-reliance on his intelligence, that can happen too. He put so much effort into planning, he never considered the alternative of aggressive resistance.
And the thing I wonder about is, why no contigency plans? A true mastermind would have a plan B, a Plan C and a Plan D just in case the first 3 failed. It looks like he invested all his resources in Plan A and it fell apart.
I'm assuming charming a Princess or Queen from another country would never work, because the man who takes him prisoner at the end of the movie suggests they are going to make sure the world knows what Hans did, which means he'd never be trusted by anyone ever again. Or Elsa herself would spread the word.
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Jul 5, 2014 23:37:02 GMT
Post by Crusader7 on Jul 5, 2014 23:37:02 GMT
A good idea for him would be to at least run away, when none of the others weren't looking. Sure he'd still not have many chances, since it would be so easy for Elsa to stop him with just a wave of her hand. But at least he'd have one chance. Then again, where would he go? I don't know.
But trust me, if I were him, in such a situation, I wouldn't just stay there. Since obviously physical lack here is great, you don't face anyone. Neither do you try to outwit them, because now everyone knows your purposes and intentions and wouldn't fall for anything you'd say. You just try what you best can at that point. And let's face it, here, even his broke sword would work as a weapon, somehow. Let's admit, he shouldn't have told anything to Anna, he should just leave her in the room, without explaining anything, since this ego satisfactory action of his ruined the chance of word explanation (still low, but existing). He made several mistakes, but at least he managed to do a lot and get so close to his goal. And one more thing: He's one of the villains who didn't end up dying, am I right?
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Jul 6, 2014 15:11:28 GMT
Post by buckmana on Jul 6, 2014 15:11:28 GMT
Assuming he could find the broken sword that is. Being smaller and lighter, it was probably thrown so much further then he was that retrieving it would be unlikely. But honestly, at this point, there's nothing he could do, if he tried to attack anyone at all, he'd only be digging himself deeper. Kristoff is standing right there and he's not in a good mood! Also, his gambit failed, so attacking the Queen, Princess or Kristoff would achieve nothing other then to make Elsa annoyed. I'm assuming the reason why nothing happened at all is that he was unconscious and only comes back around in time for Anna to introduce her fist to his face. Yes, he did live, but I think that's the only thing he's got going for him. Judging from what that man says at the end of the movie, he's going to lose everything, his brothers are going to no doubt going to disown him. He'll be lucky to avoid life imprisonment, if he does, he'll most likely be sent into permanent exile. I assume the only places he could go is somewhere very far away, far beyond the reach of any messengers from Arendelle and the Seven Isles can go, which is the only way he'll be able to escape the stigma of what he did. Or alternatively, he could go to somewhere where nobody cares what a rotter he is, but it wouldn't be a pleasant place to live, probably full of low lifes and danger on a hourly basis. Someone on the Pixar forums shared this with the community and I thought I'd pass it on to you: Take a close look at the wanted poster closest to the right side of the board. Does he look familiar? This is from the movie Big Hero 6. It's not out yet, I got this picture from the second trailer. I wonder what the poster actually says, I'm assuming there's a full resolution version somewhere in the digital texture map files. It's highly unlikely we'll see that though, so getting a copy of this in HD is probably as best as we can do. And I doubt that's enough to read it properly.
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Jul 18, 2014 3:11:06 GMT
Post by sailor swifty on Jul 18, 2014 3:11:06 GMT
As far as I know, there is no clearer version of that wanted poster. we do know the poster says wanted. I'm sure his name, eye and hair color and age are there.
after the whole plot twist, i just sat there with my jaw dropped. and i hated him at first.. then i relized how he reminded of another charater and i started to like him. I really love the idea of redemption Hans because I think there is some good in him. I love the idea of who he could have been. I do think his past brought him to such a dark place, as Jen. lee said Hans is a tragic Villain, who was raised without love
I think killing him would be pointless, he would not learn a lesson that way, PLUS Elsa tried to kill Wesalton's goons, yes they attacked her first, BUT she could have made them a jail or blocked them in, she really was trying to kill them, Hans is the one who stopped her from making that mistake.
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Crusader7
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Aug 6, 2014 8:10:55 GMT
Post by Crusader7 on Aug 6, 2014 8:10:55 GMT
This is so unfair. And I think I know his actual fate. He appears in Once Upon A Time Season 4, so we'll see what he'll be up to there
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Aug 6, 2014 13:16:40 GMT
Post by buckmana on Aug 6, 2014 13:16:40 GMT
I don't think we should count anything that happens in Once Upon A Time as canon within the Frozen universe. Judging from the little I've seen, they just take the characters and the source story, then spin off a new story based on that.
No doubt when the sequel comes out, I don't think we'll see any mention of Storybrooke or the events from the series in Frozen 2.
I wonder what Hans will do though. He could either work with the good team or the bad team, depending on how events play out.
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Post by sailor swifty on Aug 6, 2014 20:22:13 GMT
When Anna hits Hans, maybe he didn't stop her because he didn't think she could hit or hit that hard. or he was still out of it from being knocked out from that shock way. @_@
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Crusader7
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Aug 7, 2014 7:17:08 GMT
Post by Crusader7 on Aug 7, 2014 7:17:08 GMT
When Anna hits Hans, maybe he didn't stop her because he didn't think she could hit or hit that hard. or he was still out of it from being knocked out from that shock way. @_@ Nope. He was just a gentleman (and let her believe she's strong yey) xDD
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Post by sailor swifty on Aug 8, 2014 5:13:03 GMT
maybe the movie just wanted a cheap laugh so they made hans fall off the boat, it's funny because when he first meet anna he ended up in the water
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Aug 18, 2014 16:43:34 GMT
Post by Crusader7 on Aug 18, 2014 16:43:34 GMT
Something I forgot to mention: hans is an amazing marksman Checks target for 0.3 seconds, from 30 feet distance and with the height included Aims for less than 0.2 seconds, instantly shoots with a less than 0.5 centimetre diametre arrow and manages to strike the also less than 0.5 centimetre of diametre holder of the chandelieur. So yeah ladies and gentlemen, Prince Hans is a pro
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